Wednesday 12 August 2009

Queer Query #11: US, push the limits? what limits?

In a European Mediterranean city sat 4 guys waiting for another two friends to passby to go have dinner, out of these 4 was Me, M from The Affirmation blog, and two other friends... we were recaping the night before, where we went to this club, where when you enter its a pretty much normal gay club, you know mens shirts off , boys dancing on podiums, but in addition it had a top floor which had a dark rooms, in the dark rooms, guys where just having sex in the club ... ?

So one of the four boys as we recapping the night asked, why is that we gay men always pushed our limits.. why is it that sex, drugs, are so easily found in clubs and so easily accessible, if i want to go have a lay i just walk in the room grab some guy in a dark room where i cant see the guys face or having any meaning and just let him stroke me! or something in that meaning

i offered an explanation, i was like gay men are men. and men dont really have inhibition between eachother and well men are by nature horny creatures and because gay men are men and men understand eachother hence we live in our dream world of preversion.

M offered another explanation that, Gay Men are repressed hence they hmm act out majorly ...

i was like but lesbians are also repressed, why dont they act out the same way, is it because when it comes to the nature of the genders, women are more emotional, soft, decent, and men are more primal, sexual, well indecent ?

its confusing its a very good question, and like if you think in Egypt going to the gay parties and having men make out in them is too much then you havent really seen the European ones, where when you walk in a party they would be giving you condoms for free as you enter, its like look we know you are going to have to sex so do it safe,... they dont do that in straight clubs ? better yet the little condom pack they gave us as we walked in the clubs had a little advertisement, GHB, IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO WHILE HAVING SEX, IT MAKES YOU NOT ABLE TO MEASURE RISK CORRECTLY SO PLEASE HAVE THIS CONDOM ON YOU AT ALL TIMES!!
seriously so they know that gay men are going to do this dangerous drug and that they are going to have sex, its like we are going to party not to have clean fun, but to have for the soul reason of having drugs and doing sex...

Me & Others, did some like 3 consecutive parties, where we didnt do drugs, where two of the guys with us dont drink in the first place, and we just danced, we had clean fun, and it was fun, it was so much fun that we commented on how much it was and how sad it was to look at the other poor souls faces looking so lost when they are on drugs, ...

look guys i am no angel i am not saying i have never dabbled with the substances, i am not saying i am the incarnation of virgin marry, i am just saying my friends question on why do we push the limit is avery interesting question? because i multiple times have tried to think of that but i couldnt... but hey there is something i also know that isnt the only gay world out there, the one we are known for the partying, the drugs, the sex, i know for example in UK of the movememnt gaylawyers.co.uk where they try to bring respectable gay ment together, i know of a lot of people who live off of that scene happy, the only thing is that those people are not the appearant scene, they are not the guys that you see all the time, and i guess what i am trying to say it might be a good refreshing time to see the good side of being gay or of the gay people rather than always the dark side... oh by the way another thing please dont think when i say that i mean straight people are angels in themselves, they do have their party, sexism etc culture too, which might be less appearant than ours, and even within the straight society its looked down upon, would a man marry a durg addicted women ??

anyway leaves your responces,
Q

5 comments:

  1. "i know of a lot of people who live off of that scene happy, the only thing is that those people are not the appearant scene, they are not the guys that you see all the time, and i guess what i am trying to say it might be a good refreshing time to see the good side of being gay or of the gay people rather than always the dark side"
    No comment!

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  2. omg we are so on frequency S, i just posted an entry on the same thing. lol

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  3. M! hehe great mind think alot

    IQ, when you put that way and highlight those words maybe but as i tried to explain its not about good or bad its about the universal good or bad regardless of straight or gay. universal absolute bad is something that harms your body ... universal absolute good is what is not bad and what doesnt harm your body and helps your mind and soul develope.

    that being sad, hence drugs, excessive drinking, excessive sex is bad, (i.e. dark side) while being zen is good. when looking at straight communities and comparing it with the gay community not as numbers but as percentages, you would find the percentage of gay men abusing the bad rather than the good would be higher in the gay society rather than the straight. you would find globally as gay men develope more ways to be more "bad" i.e. sauna, drugs offered so easily, sex from a vending machine i think might be the next step we might come up with... of course prostitution exist in straight communities too...

    as IQ said to me over the phone you cant really compare both scenes because "what if straight men had the options to do that... its the women who controls it" well which in a way is sort of my point... my point was why are so perverted and we push the limits to beyond in terms of universal "bad" that is the question that i was asking ... i am not trying to imply that as a gay society that we are all universally bad but we do also have a huge universally absolute good my point is that as a scene that is apparent as what you are bombarded within a gay scene regardless of egypt or not the one on the pop scene, the mainstream scene is the bad ... its not that good doesnt exist... it does and its all around us its just we dont see it much more infront of our eyes and you have to search for it

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  4. By "dark side" you mean partying, getting wasted on booze and drugs and having non-string safe sex, that sounds like the bright side to me! as you mentioned in a previous thread i think it's about getting the balance right, which is relative to each one of us. I know gay couples who've been together for a while who organize sex parties, go out partying and at the end of the night/morning go back home together, they are happy and neither of them are professional/respectable lawyers..

    Straight relationships is something we grew up in, it's a part of us, it surrounds us. We don't need to think about it, it's all been tested and thought through time after time, it's examples are endless and we know what works and what doesn't. On the other hand, we have to think logically about gay relationships, what we're going to get from it and what we're giving to it.

    Remember.. gay means happy, happy means loud and loud is proud! Put your rainbow T-shirt on, widen the rips on your jeans and enjoy the bright side -sister- and when you need a break, take it.

    Nice post by the way..

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  5. Ninja,

    Thanks for the comment its true what you said i did like where you said my dark side is your bright side... i just a laughed... at sometimes my dark side is my bright side.. and i do need holidays every now and then from my bright side... i might need to get a dark side every now and then

    anyway thanks for your comment man

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