in a spur of the moment unplanned msn conversation between myself and ice queer, we decided to log our msn chat and make it an interview style and well publish it... .. so here it is ICE Queer exposed... i wish i had some naked pictures to just add with this line....
Q says: (1:53:42 PM)
ice queer, whats up love
Q says: (1:54:08 PM)
how is everything with you been lately
Ice Queer says: (1:54:32 PM)
good not bad, having a headache from that Islamist teacher at the hospital today
Q says: (1:54:56 PM)
so i have heard he takes 15 minutes before start of class and after class preaching you...
Q says: (1:55:00 PM)
so i have question for you
Q says: (1:55:12 PM)
how long have you had gay friends or have been involved in this gay scene
Ice Queer says: (1:55:28 PM)
6 years i guess
Q says: (1:55:57 PM)
so ever since you have been 13 ?
Ice Queer says: (1:56:15 PM)
15
Q says: (1:56:51 PM)
oh yea i keep forgetting you are not 19 anymore
Ice Queer says: (1:57:18 PM)
lol I'm 100! :P
Q says: (1:57:20 PM)
so what 6 years in the scene.. what do you notice the general trend or the general thing about the scene about the people
Ice Queer says: (1:57:56 PM)
people/player changes but the game is always the same
Q says: (1:58:18 PM)
in what since ya3ni ?
Ice Queer says: (1:59:12 PM)
The Queens, the Muscle Marries, the party animals...etc those labels always remain but the persons change!
Ice Queer says: (1:59:35 PM)
that's about the people
Q says: (1:59:49 PM)
what about friends.. ?
Ice Queer says: (1:59:53 PM)
about the scene, well I don't believe that Egypt has a GAY scene
Ice Queer says: (2:00:17 PM)
about friends, It's not that hard to make really good friends but you just need time and patience
Q says: (2:00:48 PM)
when i use to be younger and your age (not that i am old i am only 26)
Q says: (2:01:02 PM)
i use to notice something every 3 months or so
Q says: (2:01:19 PM)
the group of friends i have had changed... within the same players its like we were playing musical chairs
Ice Queer says: (2:02:46 PM)
Well, I believe it differs from a person to another
Ice Queer says: (2:02:58 PM)
also you should consider external factors
Ice Queer says: (2:03:05 PM)
like timing, maturity..etc
Q says: (2:03:44 PM)
okay so here as an interesting question or at least i would like to believe so
Q says: (2:03:52 PM)
on Queen E awkward sex and city blog
Q says: (2:04:06 PM)
how do you feel about the change of your name from kiki jr to snitch jr.
Ice Queer says: (2:04:45 PM)
It's funny for me
Ice Queer says: (2:04:53 PM)
cuz I don't take online world that serious
Ice Queer says: (2:04:58 PM)
it's just a virtual world for me
Q says: (2:05:42 PM)
but wasnt the change of the name an effect from some incident that happened in our real world
Ice Queer says: (2:09:09 PM)
yeah but as E said it himself "What I write can never be taken or read realistically or literally."
Ice Queer says: (2:09:35 PM)
so I've never taken what I read online seriously and never will!
Q says: (2:10:08 PM)
which leads me to the question do you think a blog is public or a private space
Ice Queer says: (2:10:47 PM)
a personal space where you are totally free to do whatever u want
Q says: (2:11:25 PM)
but doesn't that contradict the whole idea the blog is on the internet and everyone can read it
Ice Queer says: (2:12:50 PM)
it doesn't follow the rules of "public"
Ice Queer says: (2:13:01 PM)
i.e it doesn't have to follow the norms
Ice Queer says: (2:13:22 PM)
and If anyone doesn't like what he/she reads, then he should leave!
Q says: (2:13:46 PM)
let me ask you a question would you write a secret like a very important one on your blog
Ice Queer says: (2:15:01 PM)
Well if my friends donno about my blog, then yeah y not!
Ice Queer says: (2:15:24 PM)
and even if my friends know about my blog, i'd still post a secret but according to how black it is!
Q says: (2:15:45 PM)
you once told me you shared an article or two with your shrink
Q says: (2:16:00 PM)
if your shrink goes on google and writes the text thats in the article and hits search
Q says: (2:16:07 PM)
he will be able to find your blog easily
Q says: (2:16:21 PM)
also knowing how trustworthy your shrink
Ice Queer says: (2:16:31 PM)
yeah he is my shrink, I don't care about how he would react
Q says: (2:16:32 PM)
my ex shrink* what if
Q says: (2:16:41 PM)
he goes and shows it to your parents
Ice Queer says: (2:16:44 PM)
i can't believe u r comparing friends to a shrink! :P
Q says: (2:17:17 PM)
i am not comparing shrink to friends.. i am using a shrink as a plausible way your parents might find out about your blog
Ice Queer says: (2:17:18 PM)
well in this case, I'll find a solution
Ice Queer says: (2:18:39 PM)
Anyway my point is, If u've a blog and u want to diss people and talk about them then you should keep ur identity top secret, even from your friends!
Q says: (2:19:26 PM)
true in a way but if you are identity is compromised... like our friends know pretty well who is IQ,Q,E...
Q says: (2:20:24 PM)
so is our blog in particular
Q says: (2:20:51 PM)
a personal space or a private space... in comparison with lets say XY a20somethingrambling blog
Ice Queer says: (2:21:23 PM)
my blog is more personal than public
Ice Queer says: (2:21:49 PM)
most of guys I wrote about donno my blog and don't even know that I blog/write
Q says: (2:22:11 PM)
but some do and you know love how gossip flies...
Q says: (2:22:18 PM)
didnt K find about your blog?
Ice Queer says: (2:22:29 PM)
because I told him!
Q says: (2:23:06 PM)
oh ... what guts!
Ice Queer says: (2:23:36 PM)
hmm not really
Q says: (2:24:03 PM)
well when you re-write about him
Q says: (2:24:09 PM)
are you going to tread carefully now
Q says: (2:24:51 PM)
or are you going to be as open
Ice Queer says: (2:25:52 PM)
as open
Q says: (2:27:12 PM)
fair enough ... IQ what do you think would make this interview more interesting ... i mena by adding a topic to it.. like you ask or suggest something :P
Ice Queer says: (2:28:56 PM)
lol I know that the comments will be that am a celeb. wannabe..etc
Ice Queer says: (2:29:00 PM)
but what the heck!
Q says: (2:29:36 PM)
or more likely known as social climbing whore
Ice Queer says: (2:31:07 PM)
lol
Q says: (2:31:21 PM)
how does that make you feel
Ice Queer says: (2:31:58 PM)
nothing
Ice Queer says: (2:32:13 PM)
it's silly thu cuz it's far away from the truth
Q says: (2:32:34 PM)
how often does IQ have sex per month
Ice Queer says: (2:33:02 PM)
I don't have a certain pattern
Ice Queer says: (2:33:12 PM)
it depends on guys I would like to sleep with
Ice Queer says: (2:33:16 PM)
on my mood
Ice Queer says: (2:33:18 PM)
..etc
Q says: (2:33:25 PM)
how many guys have you slept with in the month of may
Ice Queer says: (2:33:48 PM)
I don't keep track
Ice Queer says: (2:33:55 PM)
It was never a "number" for me
Q says: (2:34:12 PM)
hmm lets see the gulfie then two over last weekend... maybe one or two other so is 5 a safe number :P
Ice Queer says: (2:34:45 PM)
Would I need my lawyer in this interview?
Ice Queer says: (2:34:47 PM)
lol
Q says: (2:34:59 PM)
no not really
Q says: (2:35:01 PM)
lol
Q says: (2:35:10 PM)
so we say 5 but at the moment you have a crush on this guy
Q says: (2:35:13 PM)
called K
Ice Queer says: (2:35:34 PM)
yeah but am recovering rapidly
Q says: (2:36:08 PM)
ohhhhh any new crush on the horizon
Ice Queer says: (2:36:36 PM)
fortunately not!
Q says: (2:36:59 PM)
tab i have a question do you sometimes feel like you are stuck .. in a routine
Q says: (2:37:11 PM)
for me its work... gym... during weekdays with the ocassional
Q says: (2:37:14 PM)
movie time
Q says: (2:37:29 PM)
while on weekends a party or two... do you not feel like we are stuck
Ice Queer says: (2:37:29 PM)
def.!
Ice Queer says: (2:37:49 PM)
yeah but it's every where!
Q says: (2:37:55 PM)
well you being a student you know that one last forever though .. sa7 ?
Ice Queer says: (2:38:21 PM)
And actually I guess we r less routinic than Europeans and more developed countries
Ice Queer says: (2:38:42 PM)
it will last but the studying/college will change to working/job
Q says: (2:38:46 PM)
elaborate in alot details boy
Ice Queer says: (2:39:31 PM)
We Egyptians r very laid back
Ice Queer says: (2:39:55 PM)
Europeans/west are more working machines
Ice Queer says: (2:40:12 PM)
so their life is more routinic than us
Ice Queer says: (2:40:17 PM)
working in week days
Ice Queer says: (2:40:22 PM)
partying in weekends
Ice Queer says: (2:40:39 PM)
but in Egypt u can go out with ur friends after work finishes
Ice Queer says: (2:40:47 PM)
bottom line; the city doesn't sleep!
Q says: (2:40:48 PM)
but you do that in europe too
Ice Queer says: (2:41:21 PM)
yeah but most of cities of Europe sleep at 10!
Q says: (2:41:39 PM)
true
Q says: (2:42:00 PM)
the stores closes at 5 or 7 too!!
Ice Queer says: (2:42:13 PM)
yeah
Q says: (2:42:41 PM)
hold on a second work call
Ice Queer says: (2:42:51 PM)
sure
Q says: (2:52:33 PM)
sorry for keeping you waiting
Q says: (2:52:40 PM)
work guys are pathetically stupid
Ice Queer says: (2:52:59 PM)
lol
Ice Queer says: (2:53:01 PM)
its okay
Q says: (2:53:47 PM)
so yea so you feel like is in a runt
Q says: (2:53:58 PM)
what is that you wish to accomplish lets say 3 years from now
Q says: (2:54:46 PM)
or more where do you see yourself
Ice Queer says: (2:55:00 PM)
Hopefully, doing my master degree abroad
Q says: (2:55:22 PM)
okay so is it for work
Ice Queer says: (2:55:37 PM)
that was the deal with my parents, saving money for masters abroad instead of wasting it on lousy private medical college in Egypt
Q says: (2:55:45 PM)
and career reasons
Q says: (2:55:49 PM)
or you just want to get out of egypt
Q says: (2:57:00 PM)
like what i guess i am trying to ask is that does Egypt make you stressed out and make you feel like you are in runt and
Q says: (2:57:34 PM)
like you dont see your future here
Ice Queer says: (2:57:43 PM)
The thing about Egypt that I love it and hate it in same time
Ice Queer says: (2:57:52 PM)
yeah I don't see my near future here
Ice Queer says: (2:57:56 PM)
maybe far future
Q says: (2:58:52 PM)
i guess i have the same issue its like i love it so much but do i see myself dating a guy and living a normal life here and living with him i dont know
Q says: (2:59:01 PM)
we have friends who did so as you know and they are very happy about it
Q says: (2:59:26 PM)
but also in the same time i also come from the aspect if i did that would my life revolve around the scene as you know its very draining
Q says: (2:59:32 PM)
i guess its just tryign to figure out the future
Q says: (3:00:13 PM)
so iQ who inspired you to start your blog ?
Q says: (3:00:22 PM)
for me it was and god created men blog.
Ice Queer says: (3:00:54 PM)
it's a funny story
Ice Queer says: (3:01:04 PM)
The lights were out and I was bored
Q says: (3:01:11 PM)
please say it was my old blog the gay chronicles :P
Ice Queer says: (3:01:26 PM)
so I was playing solitaire using the pen of my previous laptop
Ice Queer says: (3:01:36 PM)
and I've never tried to write using that pen
Ice Queer says: (3:01:40 PM)
so I thought to write something
Ice Queer says: (3:01:48 PM)
and ta daa I wrote my first post!
Q says: (3:01:59 PM)
ohhhh
Q says: (3:02:33 PM)
your first post was in july 2008 it must have been a boring summer i guess
Q says: (3:02:41 PM)
almost a year from now
Ice Queer says: (3:02:57 PM)
yeah I can't believe my blog lasted all that long!
Q says: (3:03:07 PM)
it was called Get a Life People
Ice Queer says: (3:03:17 PM)
I never thought I could even write! I knew I was good at composition in school
Ice Queer says: (3:03:26 PM)
but not to that extent
Ice Queer says: (3:03:28 PM)
yeah that was it
Q says: (3:03:57 PM)
it started with
Q says: (3:04:00 PM)
"I don't know if I was wrong but I hope one day someone will understand what I think or what I believe or what I do, It is just it is too depressing that am surrounded with too many judgmental, hypocritical and schizophrenic mentalities in my/our society in Egypt.
"
Q says: (3:04:38 PM)
how have you changed since that first sentence you wrote... is your belief still the same did you not find someone who understands
Ice Queer says: (3:05:19 PM)
No, it's the same feeling
Ice Queer says: (3:05:28 PM)
(not talking about my friends, sure my friends understand me)
Q says: (3:08:56 PM)
i actually feel somewhat same but different
Q says: (3:09:29 PM)
its like i have the issue of taht i have people who understand what i feel but just because we understand eachother it doesnt make us automatically best friends...
Q says: (3:09:49 PM)
ya3ni i have over the past year or so built some what good friends here... previously i wasnt
Q says: (3:10:16 PM)
because sort of the first time since i moved back i sort of found people who also come from the same background and way of thinking of me... and they sort of went through the same experiances
Q says: (3:10:52 PM)
i might be judged to be a classist sometimes by people.. but hell sometimes i am... its just a fact of egypt... different classes do go through different experiences
Q says: (3:11:21 PM)
as they have different background and different education ... and it does affect them differently and the way their parents take it is different too...
Q says: (3:11:27 PM)
do you know what i mean
Ice Queer says: (3:13:39 PM)
yeah
Ice Queer says: (3:13:51 PM)
but classes r so cliché
Q says: (3:14:31 PM)
do you not believe we are classist society
Ice Queer says: (3:16:15 PM)
"classes" in Egypt got so deformed after the revolution
Ice Queer says: (3:16:36 PM)
in Nasser's era
Q says: (3:18:00 PM)
okay well i believe i mean okay
Ice Queer says: (3:18:10 PM)
it's more about either bourgeoisie or nouveau riche or low class
Ice Queer says: (3:18:12 PM)
now
Q says: (3:18:34 PM)
what you forgot the higher upper class who have been the upper class from long time ago
Ice Queer says: (3:18:59 PM)
they r dieing out!
Q says: (3:19:05 PM)
lol
Q says: (3:19:35 PM)
okay but dont you believe the upper/higher/ bourgeoisie etc go through different experience than the middle class and lower
Q says: (3:19:48 PM)
ya3ni the guys with the money travel, they are more educated
Q says: (3:20:24 PM)
they go out to clubs where you have minimum charge to be 100 or 250 pounds
Ice Queer says: (3:20:47 PM)
and u think that all what u've mentioned makes u classy?
Q says: (3:22:05 PM)
well no i mean i have met people in those clubs who
Q says: (3:22:15 PM)
way trashie in attitude and god knows what else
Q says: (3:22:46 PM)
but the usually the guys who are of the higher or upper middle class that have access to these sort of things
Q says: (3:23:11 PM)
doesnt mean that all that go there are generally classy in attitude you have seen that girl friend of one of our friends who disappeared
Ice Queer says: (3:23:12 PM)
and so do nouveau riche people!
Q says: (3:23:28 PM)
i dont consider her classy at all yet she goes out and parades her boobs all over the place
Ice Queer says: (3:24:16 PM)
exactly my point
Ice Queer says: (3:24:30 PM)
not by money, not by education...etc
Q says: (3:24:40 PM)
but still my point is those people with the money regardless of it being new money or old money
Ice Queer says: (3:24:45 PM)
u could be classy in attitude thu u r middle class or low class
Q says: (3:25:01 PM)
well yes you are true and very right
Q says: (3:25:07 PM)
but my point is not classy in attitude
Q says: (3:25:19 PM)
while not understating the importance of being classy in attitude
Q says: (3:25:59 PM)
my point is those people with the money regardless of it being new money or old money would have access to an experiance similar to what we have hence you have some common ground ... let me rephrase
Q says: (3:26:03 PM)
you are high school
Q says: (3:26:26 PM)
you make friends... its a given that you guys will have the same experiences being in the same high school and you will do all the same things
Q says: (3:26:37 PM)
you grow up together graduate go to uni some of you go even to the same uni
Ice Queer says: (3:27:07 PM)
yeah but still, everyone will perceive those experiences in different ways
Ice Queer says: (3:27:16 PM)
some wouldn't enjoy it or appreciate it
Ice Queer says: (3:27:19 PM)
some would go to extreme
Ice Queer says: (3:27:21 PM)
..etc
Q says: (3:27:43 PM)
you are not getting my point though
Q says: (3:28:02 PM)
what i am trying to say having something in common as an experience.. brings you closer together
Ice Queer says: (3:28:06 PM)
yeah I know what u mean by background
Ice Queer says: (3:28:14 PM)
but is that background is really you?
Q says: (3:28:32 PM)
so for me my experience with growing up was major clubbing in clubs around egypt ...
Q says: (3:30:11 PM)
hold on work call
Q says: (3:30:13 PM)
again
Ice Queer says: (3:30:30 PM)
ok
Q says: (3:37:18 PM)
back
Q says: (3:37:25 PM)
so it wasnt just about clubbing in egypt
Q says: (3:37:40 PM)
it was about clubbing and the memories of us getting drunk
Q says: (3:37:45 PM)
you know what i think it is...
Q says: (3:37:59 PM)
i think i just had too much fun while at uni and i might be trying to recreate those memories
Q says: (3:39:24 PM)
IQ i have to end this interview now and we have to re-continue later do you have any comments or anything you would like to add before ending this
Ice Queer says: (3:42:57 PM)
sorry was talking to that hotty
Q says: (3:44:39 PM)
oh well just a reminder this still recorded... yalla lets end this so that i can get back work and what not of my life
Ice Queer says: (3:46:12 PM)
lool
Ice Queer says: (3:46:21 PM)
Well I enjoyed this interview
Ice Queer says: (3:46:30 PM)
I didn't think u'd come with interesting questions :P
Q says: (3:46:48 PM)
how dare you IQ
Q says: (3:47:39 PM)
tab come on give us your final words of wisdom of a 20 year old boy to your fans.... (dear IQ fans stop listening to him... i am 26 so i am more experienced and hell i am more popular)
Ice Queer says: (3:48:17 PM)
lol
Ice Queer says: (3:48:27 PM)
make the most of now
Ice Queer says: (3:48:33 PM)
and don't think too much
Ice Queer says: (3:48:33 PM)
and oh yeah! *WORLD PEACE* lol
Q says: (3:49:43 PM)
okay and with this miss world 2009 style of ending... we shall end this interview till another one
Tuesday, 2 June 2009
Monday, 1 June 2009
Q Music #2: Freemasons feat. Sophie Ellis-Bextor: Heartbreak (Make Me A Dancer)
In an effort to diversify my blog from gossip and thought i am adding music... and you would be able to follow music under Q Music titles where thought will be Queer Queries ... and gossip well i still havent done that and not sure i am going into that directions
now without further intro, yesterday song was Y.A.S - Get it right, and today as i was driving from back from work... with my ipod transmitter not in the car i turned on the radio with SAFI on nilefm and god it was a boring show, however just as i was turning the corner towards the garage of my house i heard this song HEART BREAK ME A DANCER and it just stuck in my head its a tune that was able to get the Y.A.S tune out of my head.. i didnt know who sang the song until it ended but the accent the way glorious Sophie says Answer and Dancer that thick Australian accent i was sure it must have been Sophie with her unique voice... actaully i think i memorized Sophie voice from my 13 year old sister over on summer in Australia where she would always play "Murder on a dancefloor"
As i read some of the reviews of this song i cant just help see that alot of people are anticipating this to be the summer hit... while i believe it will be one of the summer hits.. it wont be THE summer hit... but god that voice just wants to make melt... another thing to note is that Sophie just like Madonna, Britney, Christina, Kylie, & Danni (her not so known sister to the rest of the world) is also a gay icon, and she tries to imply that with the dancers in the background wearing the same glasses as they wear in the lilly's sketches from PAM ANN, which is one of the biggest sketches in gay cultures, specially the Cabin Crew Culture...
As most of the songs of Sophie ... its a retro chic, that doesnt cater to everyone tastes buds, but its a very catching tune
and now the song!!
Love Q
now without further intro, yesterday song was Y.A.S - Get it right, and today as i was driving from back from work... with my ipod transmitter not in the car i turned on the radio with SAFI on nilefm and god it was a boring show, however just as i was turning the corner towards the garage of my house i heard this song HEART BREAK ME A DANCER and it just stuck in my head its a tune that was able to get the Y.A.S tune out of my head.. i didnt know who sang the song until it ended but the accent the way glorious Sophie says Answer and Dancer that thick Australian accent i was sure it must have been Sophie with her unique voice... actaully i think i memorized Sophie voice from my 13 year old sister over on summer in Australia where she would always play "Murder on a dancefloor"
As i read some of the reviews of this song i cant just help see that alot of people are anticipating this to be the summer hit... while i believe it will be one of the summer hits.. it wont be THE summer hit... but god that voice just wants to make melt... another thing to note is that Sophie just like Madonna, Britney, Christina, Kylie, & Danni (her not so known sister to the rest of the world) is also a gay icon, and she tries to imply that with the dancers in the background wearing the same glasses as they wear in the lilly's sketches from PAM ANN, which is one of the biggest sketches in gay cultures, specially the Cabin Crew Culture...
As most of the songs of Sophie ... its a retro chic, that doesnt cater to everyone tastes buds, but its a very catching tune
and now the song!!
Love Q
Sunday, 31 May 2009
Q Music #1: Y.A.S - GET IT RIGHT a well produced and forward arabic tune
People who know me well, know how much i am not way much into POP & RnB and how much i like my house music... they also know that i am in different to Arabic Music ... and know very well how much i criticized the cliched Arabic music videos,
so when i get a forward in the morning on facebook about this song called Y.A.S - Get it right and clicked on it ... i was just left AMAZED ... great video, great song .. very artistic ..so without much more introduction the song and video speak for it self... enjoy it below
so when i get a forward in the morning on facebook about this song called Y.A.S - Get it right and clicked on it ... i was just left AMAZED ... great video, great song .. very artistic ..so without much more introduction the song and video speak for it self... enjoy it below
Wednesday, 27 May 2009
Queer Query #6: Blogging what ? Blogging Etiquette ?
just as there is drinking etiquette and gay attitude etiquette there is also blogging and writing etiquette... i wasnt just born a day ago.. i have been blogging for five years, however i keep changing blogs for one reason or another... everytime i learn something new..
with my first blog 20 something & gay ... i have learnt not to talk about people
the gay chronicles have revealed to much of myself because you never know who will end up reading this... hence why i recreated my blog under the image of thought... food for the brain ...
as a person grows up he learns something... this might be a free world all and all everyone is entitled to his own thoughts.. and everyone can equally blog/write his thoughts to public ... its the same thing as every has the right to say what they want to say to someone face....
but let me know something... how is it sometimes, one does for a fact censor what he says to someone when its face to face because that person is afraid to hurt someone feelings, yet a person can go online and just bitch the fuck out of that person later on
with out on going rambling the fact is people have etiquette in real life, we learn that when we deal with friends sometimes we say white lies, we learn in school how to interact with people, we learn common social skills its part of growing up.. when we see a person who lacks socials skills sometimes we just say he is still an immature kid he needs to grow up... but when it comes to the blogosphere world what happens to these social skills that we have learnt ? is it because we dont have facial interaction with the person we write about that it gives the right to be MORE bitchier than we would face to face....
does a blog have to be directed to bitterness and hate and lack of class by just dissing everyone in existence and call every one vicious and that no one that exist is good and every is evil and bad and black from the inside and that you have to at some point reveal the viciousness of them all...
if you are a reader wondering what this is about then let me give you some background, with in the gay blogosphere of egypt there is maybe four popular blogs, mine, nautika.blogspot.com ... confessions of a testosterone addict and awkward sex in the city... each one of these blog has their own flavour... i would like think mine is one of the popular ones though... one of these blogs flavour is absolute bitchiness towards people, of sometimes me, that person who goes under the blogging name of E.
The question what made E "the queen of us all", to bitch about us in an extreme way... there is a difference between normal frivolousness and funny bitchyness and just down right mean!
a blog is a useful tool you can use to create good with it or you can use just to show your true evil colours... i would rather do the earlier... we as community dont need much more hate in it, as E said we already are plagued with hate in the real world, he is not the first or the last to do so. however my point is if you see what the people are doing are wrong by being sacramental to others, then why do you doing it .. E's blog starts with the title of "This is a futile attempt to explore sexuality in Cairo" what does all bitchiness and god know what inside there has to do with exploring sexuality.. last time i checked... there isnt more than 5% of the posts has to do with sex.. .actually i have been following his blog for a while hardly anything to do with sex...
when did being gay and exploring sexuality of being gay become the anti christ, from when did being gay meant == rude... maybe sometimes its common accross his scene but not across all.
as i have said i was born yesterday and i was just induced in the Egyptian scene only when i returned i have seen thise scene for more than 8 years prosper and grow and one thing i have learnt as i tried to explain to a new comer last night... the scene is not just made of one community with different sub groups under it... no its made of more multiple scenes, with each scene having multiple communities and each community has multple groups.. point being.. as much as E thinks that we are a scene plagued with bitchiness and horridness which might be true to an extent but its not always.. when i returned back to cairo 8 or 9 month ago.. i found some new gay friends and for the first time i can say this... these new people didnt talk behind my back... these new people when they saw a flaw in me and trust me i am flawed they would tell it to me right to my face... in a POLITE manner, the keyword here is being polite... and here is the thing when you confront someone about something you feel is wrong with him and you be able to provide critisim in a constructive way it just goes along way
i am deviating from the main topic i guess but i do have a point that i do want to make to just some things up.... E, and other "vicious" bloggers why dont you make good use of your writing skills and god knows how good of writer and the wit you have with your words into good use... why all the bitchiness... and even if you are being bitchy and some guy comes and approach you about that he doesnt like being talked about... or if i dont like when you mention a name of a bar in your blog... you should try to be respectful and gracioius to the other person just avoid the drama... and just add more gas to the fire as they say here in egypt tesha3lalah why not grow up and just appologize and end it.. why does there always have to be a scene and a big fuss made about it... why not ever go for truce ? why not be a nice person ?
with my first blog 20 something & gay ... i have learnt not to talk about people
the gay chronicles have revealed to much of myself because you never know who will end up reading this... hence why i recreated my blog under the image of thought... food for the brain ...
as a person grows up he learns something... this might be a free world all and all everyone is entitled to his own thoughts.. and everyone can equally blog/write his thoughts to public ... its the same thing as every has the right to say what they want to say to someone face....
but let me know something... how is it sometimes, one does for a fact censor what he says to someone when its face to face because that person is afraid to hurt someone feelings, yet a person can go online and just bitch the fuck out of that person later on
with out on going rambling the fact is people have etiquette in real life, we learn that when we deal with friends sometimes we say white lies, we learn in school how to interact with people, we learn common social skills its part of growing up.. when we see a person who lacks socials skills sometimes we just say he is still an immature kid he needs to grow up... but when it comes to the blogosphere world what happens to these social skills that we have learnt ? is it because we dont have facial interaction with the person we write about that it gives the right to be MORE bitchier than we would face to face....
does a blog have to be directed to bitterness and hate and lack of class by just dissing everyone in existence and call every one vicious and that no one that exist is good and every is evil and bad and black from the inside and that you have to at some point reveal the viciousness of them all...
if you are a reader wondering what this is about then let me give you some background, with in the gay blogosphere of egypt there is maybe four popular blogs, mine, nautika.blogspot.com ... confessions of a testosterone addict and awkward sex in the city... each one of these blog has their own flavour... i would like think mine is one of the popular ones though... one of these blogs flavour is absolute bitchiness towards people, of sometimes me, that person who goes under the blogging name of E.
The question what made E "the queen of us all", to bitch about us in an extreme way... there is a difference between normal frivolousness and funny bitchyness and just down right mean!
a blog is a useful tool you can use to create good with it or you can use just to show your true evil colours... i would rather do the earlier... we as community dont need much more hate in it, as E said we already are plagued with hate in the real world, he is not the first or the last to do so. however my point is if you see what the people are doing are wrong by being sacramental to others, then why do you doing it .. E's blog starts with the title of "This is a futile attempt to explore sexuality in Cairo" what does all bitchiness and god know what inside there has to do with exploring sexuality.. last time i checked... there isnt more than 5% of the posts has to do with sex.. .actually i have been following his blog for a while hardly anything to do with sex...
when did being gay and exploring sexuality of being gay become the anti christ, from when did being gay meant == rude... maybe sometimes its common accross his scene but not across all.
as i have said i was born yesterday and i was just induced in the Egyptian scene only when i returned i have seen thise scene for more than 8 years prosper and grow and one thing i have learnt as i tried to explain to a new comer last night... the scene is not just made of one community with different sub groups under it... no its made of more multiple scenes, with each scene having multiple communities and each community has multple groups.. point being.. as much as E thinks that we are a scene plagued with bitchiness and horridness which might be true to an extent but its not always.. when i returned back to cairo 8 or 9 month ago.. i found some new gay friends and for the first time i can say this... these new people didnt talk behind my back... these new people when they saw a flaw in me and trust me i am flawed they would tell it to me right to my face... in a POLITE manner, the keyword here is being polite... and here is the thing when you confront someone about something you feel is wrong with him and you be able to provide critisim in a constructive way it just goes along way
i am deviating from the main topic i guess but i do have a point that i do want to make to just some things up.... E, and other "vicious" bloggers why dont you make good use of your writing skills and god knows how good of writer and the wit you have with your words into good use... why all the bitchiness... and even if you are being bitchy and some guy comes and approach you about that he doesnt like being talked about... or if i dont like when you mention a name of a bar in your blog... you should try to be respectful and gracioius to the other person just avoid the drama... and just add more gas to the fire as they say here in egypt tesha3lalah why not grow up and just appologize and end it.. why does there always have to be a scene and a big fuss made about it... why not ever go for truce ? why not be a nice person ?
Saturday, 23 May 2009
Queer Query #5: Under the influence ?
Is it possible for a gay scene to exist with out being under the influence of a substance... regardless of the substance being drugs or alcohol ?
okay even if people are drinking in a party, i mean after all its a party, how would you socialize, do people know their limits on when to stop drinking ?
FAST FORWARD...... abit
If you think of it, in reality alcohol is not that common in the Arab world, as it is western. Yes you might be use to going to parties in Egypt where everyone drinks, Yes you might go to drinkies every now and then, Yes you might even call that dealer of yours to hook you up with the exported one if you havent travelled in a while. so in our bubble its common, but step out of this bubble and look outside of the bubble of gay parties, look outside of the bubble of straight bars, its not common.
now let me just deviate a bit and point out something... usually sometimes when you are in a gay scene you dont always get people introduced as the 19, 18 year olds, mind you though there is a huge influx of those coming in now... but sometimes there comes 25s, 30s even who just join in... and those new incubents dont generally drink, as remember as mentioned earlier its not that common for people outside of those bubbles to drink, so these new influx usually come in and under peer pressure start to drink... some might go to the extreme and go do drugs, even though not as common as it seems in Egypt..
The problem with this, is that you get 18-21 new influx and not to mention the 25s, 30s etc coming in and they just dont have the experiance in handling their drink... once upon a blog time my best friend who goes by the blogger name M with The Affirmation blog has said... that when he was growing up he would always wanted to be better, he learnt all the proper etiquette, including the art of drinking, the art of asking guys on dates, the art of actually kissing a guy in a party with out looking like a total sleaze bag, ...i think i never saw M make a huge fool out of himself in any party that i have been with him at... anyway i clearly as most of the people who would have known me in the past have lacked this etiquette but i made it a point that i actually learn some....
so i was retransformed i stopped making out with random boys ... i know how to hold my glass .. and eventaully i am starting to have better social skills, specially when it comes to meeting people for the very first time.
my point is that i am trying to make here is that well, gay parties get tiresome after a while, dont get me wrong i am not complaining they are fun, because you get to hang out with all your friends at the same time, you get to talk in a safe heaven, you even get to meet one or two new people every now and then...however have you ever stopped in the middle of the party and just looked around... looked at the faces of the people around.... looked at the way they were acting... thats exactly what i did in last night party... i had a couple of glasses of Vodka Cranberry with a twist of Orange, when i was starting to get typsi around 2 am i have decided time to sober, so go myself glasses of water with a twist of lemon and started drinking by 2:30am .. i was all great again .. then as i inhaled on that cigerate between my fingers and looked at the people around me.... my friends... the new commers.. the younglings... and just looked at their faces i couldnt just help how drunk they were ... they were fun though.. but it just made me think can we have fun with out being drunk... can we just be satisfied with just being typsi ... or on that part where its before you are drunk but you are not so sober at the same time?
i am not saying lets go all non alcoholic eventhough i bet it would be very very very very interesting to see 1 gay party with out alcohol... i can already imagine the faces of people... everyone would be nervous and complaining ... and not to mention fidgety scratching their forearms for that drink
so as i was writing this blog,,, i think i know what this scene needs, it needs some classes for M, M since you are not in egypt for a while maybe you should do us a blog entry on your blog where you teach the boys here about the etiquette of gay partying
xoxox
Q
okay even if people are drinking in a party, i mean after all its a party, how would you socialize, do people know their limits on when to stop drinking ?
FAST FORWARD...... abit
If you think of it, in reality alcohol is not that common in the Arab world, as it is western. Yes you might be use to going to parties in Egypt where everyone drinks, Yes you might go to drinkies every now and then, Yes you might even call that dealer of yours to hook you up with the exported one if you havent travelled in a while. so in our bubble its common, but step out of this bubble and look outside of the bubble of gay parties, look outside of the bubble of straight bars, its not common.
now let me just deviate a bit and point out something... usually sometimes when you are in a gay scene you dont always get people introduced as the 19, 18 year olds, mind you though there is a huge influx of those coming in now... but sometimes there comes 25s, 30s even who just join in... and those new incubents dont generally drink, as remember as mentioned earlier its not that common for people outside of those bubbles to drink, so these new influx usually come in and under peer pressure start to drink... some might go to the extreme and go do drugs, even though not as common as it seems in Egypt..
The problem with this, is that you get 18-21 new influx and not to mention the 25s, 30s etc coming in and they just dont have the experiance in handling their drink... once upon a blog time my best friend who goes by the blogger name M with The Affirmation blog has said... that when he was growing up he would always wanted to be better, he learnt all the proper etiquette, including the art of drinking, the art of asking guys on dates, the art of actually kissing a guy in a party with out looking like a total sleaze bag, ...i think i never saw M make a huge fool out of himself in any party that i have been with him at... anyway i clearly as most of the people who would have known me in the past have lacked this etiquette but i made it a point that i actually learn some....
so i was retransformed i stopped making out with random boys ... i know how to hold my glass .. and eventaully i am starting to have better social skills, specially when it comes to meeting people for the very first time.
my point is that i am trying to make here is that well, gay parties get tiresome after a while, dont get me wrong i am not complaining they are fun, because you get to hang out with all your friends at the same time, you get to talk in a safe heaven, you even get to meet one or two new people every now and then...however have you ever stopped in the middle of the party and just looked around... looked at the faces of the people around.... looked at the way they were acting... thats exactly what i did in last night party... i had a couple of glasses of Vodka Cranberry with a twist of Orange, when i was starting to get typsi around 2 am i have decided time to sober, so go myself glasses of water with a twist of lemon and started drinking by 2:30am .. i was all great again .. then as i inhaled on that cigerate between my fingers and looked at the people around me.... my friends... the new commers.. the younglings... and just looked at their faces i couldnt just help how drunk they were ... they were fun though.. but it just made me think can we have fun with out being drunk... can we just be satisfied with just being typsi ... or on that part where its before you are drunk but you are not so sober at the same time?
i am not saying lets go all non alcoholic eventhough i bet it would be very very very very interesting to see 1 gay party with out alcohol... i can already imagine the faces of people... everyone would be nervous and complaining ... and not to mention fidgety scratching their forearms for that drink
so as i was writing this blog,,, i think i know what this scene needs, it needs some classes for M, M since you are not in egypt for a while maybe you should do us a blog entry on your blog where you teach the boys here about the etiquette of gay partying
xoxox
Q
Tuesday, 12 May 2009
Queer Query #4: If Men are from mars, Women are from Venus.... what the fuck is happening on MARs, an Orgie?
How Many times have you heard that Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus... as a gay man when i hear that i just cant help laugh...i mean lets be realisitic anyone who is been in a gay scene would say well there are over a dozen of type of gay men. Gaydar.co.uk when it launched its sexfactor competition has realized that ... that it created it based on looks the Guy next door, the Guy next door 25+, the SnM, Jocks, etc... there cant be on planet to fit all of us gay men on.
Granted that mars is a darker shade of pink ... RED, but lets say if that big planet had different countries on it, then how the hell are you going to classify the men.... i mean the countries ;)
i have been on a number of dates recently, eventhough i have been complaining that i havent been going on any then i just realized that well i have been a number,
so i would like to introduce my characters, i mean the countries, as the way i should see mars should look like..
one of the most common thing about being gay in the arab world is have a sort duality in life, a straight life and a gay life, where the USUAL, the COMMON is that they dont mix, people with that ideology sometimes have extremes where people can know how to master the art of creating both separate lives but keep both groups, where they can keep the str8ties to going out certain places, usually the nice areas, or keep the gay in indoors party or a bar that no one will go to. on the other hand you have guys who mix them well they take there "dates" out with their straight friends, thinking there str8 friends wont find out about them gay but they are so oblivious to the fact that there str8 friends know that he is gay... Introduction of the First countries. The Country that keep the str8ties at bay is going to be called Country V while the latter shall be called country Kay
Country Kay: once upon a week, i talked to this guy online, it took us two weeks to meet because of some "excuses" he cancelled on me twice prior to meeting me, yet on the third time i just agreed on doing it... dont know why i shouldnt have... but i was curious... we went to la bodega, he was HOT... he was cute.. i flirted the right amount... we left... met up afterwards with friends was telling them all about how cute he is was.. and nice decent and well he basically met most of my superficial standards, so per my friends advice i didnt call all next day tell he called and invited to me go out with his friends to Club Purple... str8 friends that is!!! i was like ahhh okay i shall... and shall i did. we went there .. he was 15 minutes late... his friends where sort of okay and nice and funny, but i am like how couldnt they that this guy is NOT gay... and what was more amazing was the fact here i am in purple... i see other 4 gay guys other than me and him... they know he is gay.. but i had to pretend to be str8 to them?!?! and whats even more confusing they are gay and they are pretending to eachother they are str8 eventhough they know for CONFIRMED FACT that they are gay because they know who they slept with.... HELL DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE..... anyway fast forward a week, hell knows what happened with K.. one day is cold the other he is like ahhhh into... and what was even more confusing the night went to purple he get dropping in the word that i am his date when it really wasnt a date... so as i mentioned fast forward a week i accidentally run into him in purple when i was out with a girl friend of mine on a str8 night out (not to be confused that i am not out to her,, we just needed a break from the other gay boys) and then i run into him accidentally... i ignore him and hang out with my friend he comes to us every now and then ... i thought that it was part of his game that you know where is no longer playing cold... little that i know... at the end of the night he kept dancing with my girl friend telling me her how beautiful she is ... where i responded.. k you are gay.. he was like no i am BI... and listen to this... HE ACTUALLY LEFT HIS NUMBER ON A NAPKIN for her.. which she as a ny good friend gracefully left on the bar for the bartender to pick up!! the idea is Country K is about the psycotic gay men... who know matter what you can never understand them regardles of mixing or not mixing str8 friends.. and they are so oblivious to the reality around them where most of the people around them know that he is gay no matter how hard he tries other to prove other wise, and i dont mean he is queeny.
Country V: for those who have read my previous blog before i removed would have realized V is one of my close friends who i kiddingly call Potential Best Friend. V if you reading this, which probably are.. i am sorry about what i am about to say but you know it anyway i said a million times to your face. V is the kind of Guy where is str8 life is totally seperated from his gay one... its like way two different worlds.. but what frustrates me about this with V, is lets say that we wont to go somewhere nice, like one of the nice bars, in town, he would be NOOOO because he would be too afraid that there is 5% chance that we might run into someone he knows even if that person was someone who was with him in kindergarden and i kid you not!!! we did our little holiday during spring break away from the red sea on the fear that V might have an issue running into his str8 friends in one of the red sea cities or resorts like Gouna.. granted where he took us at the end actually ended up as a nice place.. but still the concept.. Country V is about the guys who are so deep in the closet that it annoys the guys who mildly out of the Closet
Country Coke: Gay men are accross the world are almost always associated with Drugs, Partying, Alcoholism, and being WAY TOO HAPPY, Egypt is no except to that concept. But us being a smaller world its more appearent and you actually get to know by name the people who uses, and those people who use usually mix with their own kind, and have their little house parties with Coke, E, MDMA and whatever they can smuggle back from europe or get locally, did i mention that the Coke group also is the group that you might find hanging accross spain, london, brussels, munich for just the holidays... yes they are also some of the wealthier group who can afford the travels.... to me most common people they wouldnt figure out that those people are users, but to me, Q, come on i see and i konw everything that happens on this glorious land, to me Country Coke, are combined of people who has it all in terms of wealth a good reputation on the straight party scene (oh trust me having a name on the straight party scene is not an easy thing) they are people are who are able to hide habbits, discreetly within the confined borders of Egypt, however they are as i was discribing to one of my good friends today the people that i feel lack personality and are superficial and weak, why else would you resort to drugs and think its something cool to do!!
Country Cock & Ass: Cock & Ass, to be here after refered to as C&A, C&A is a country where all that matters is sex. you hang out with people who belong to this country they will talk about nothing except who they fucked, how big was his dick, how small was it. how wide was he, how when he fingered the and the finger came brown. Or rather on how good the guy was, which is sometimes a rare thing to here... i have friend who sort of resides in this country, in where we kid that sometimes he is a sex addict, that for fun he just has sex... is just like having a drink or smoking cigerates, but lucklily for us that friend doesnt share the details of his sexecpades, god if anyone gets his phone.... boys you will get the black book to all the hot men of cairo
Party Town: Party Town (PT).... is sort of a subset of all countries, each country has its own town where people gather and party in it. usually this town is a house for each group, sometimes different countries invite other countries to their own party town... or sometimes an international citizen, like myself, will have a party in a country like switzerland where it neatural and invite all the countries. some PTs would have drag queens perform in them on a belly dance, other would just have arabic music playing all night long, while other other would have commerical stuff from 2 years ago playing or sometimes on rare ocassions you would have the ones that have house music that is the latest off from ibiza, london, new york. In Party town usually you have main players, like you have in the str8 scene, the movers and shakers, these are usually the people who have their own place, or people who know the house owners, then an important part of this however not all these countries can host good parties, so much like the str8 scene you have major players who you know when they throw a party ... you would kill to be on that guest list.. and others you are just like what ever who care we arre not going and usually when the movers dont go the party becomes shitty
Drama Town: in every country right next to Party Town exists Drama Town, sometimes drama town exist as a subset in PT but it also has its own independent cafe outside of it... what i am saying it always exists in PT. show me one gay boy that doesnt have drama in their life , whether its party you are organizing and stressing about the guest list (M) or whether you are stressing about not having enough guys available to date, or whether its your brother, family, mother, university, and if everything is okay, it might be about not finding the correct size of those jeans... i honestly honestly dont believe there exist a drama free man and from out of a million of experiance of going to meet and greet guys, and they are advertise themselves as "drama-free" are usually the most dramatic. did i not mention K earlier.
the countries and the towns just keep on going with the lieks of tranishack ville, right next to it you can find liar ville, right next to it REAL PEOPLE country, its just a million other countries which we shall discuss a bit more as i run more to them on wierd dates but in the mean time what i think would be more fun if you leave me any country that you think needs to be added in the list in the comments
Q.
Granted that mars is a darker shade of pink ... RED, but lets say if that big planet had different countries on it, then how the hell are you going to classify the men.... i mean the countries ;)
i have been on a number of dates recently, eventhough i have been complaining that i havent been going on any then i just realized that well i have been a number,
so i would like to introduce my characters, i mean the countries, as the way i should see mars should look like..
one of the most common thing about being gay in the arab world is have a sort duality in life, a straight life and a gay life, where the USUAL, the COMMON is that they dont mix, people with that ideology sometimes have extremes where people can know how to master the art of creating both separate lives but keep both groups, where they can keep the str8ties to going out certain places, usually the nice areas, or keep the gay in indoors party or a bar that no one will go to. on the other hand you have guys who mix them well they take there "dates" out with their straight friends, thinking there str8 friends wont find out about them gay but they are so oblivious to the fact that there str8 friends know that he is gay... Introduction of the First countries. The Country that keep the str8ties at bay is going to be called Country V while the latter shall be called country Kay
Country Kay: once upon a week, i talked to this guy online, it took us two weeks to meet because of some "excuses" he cancelled on me twice prior to meeting me, yet on the third time i just agreed on doing it... dont know why i shouldnt have... but i was curious... we went to la bodega, he was HOT... he was cute.. i flirted the right amount... we left... met up afterwards with friends was telling them all about how cute he is was.. and nice decent and well he basically met most of my superficial standards, so per my friends advice i didnt call all next day tell he called and invited to me go out with his friends to Club Purple... str8 friends that is!!! i was like ahhh okay i shall... and shall i did. we went there .. he was 15 minutes late... his friends where sort of okay and nice and funny, but i am like how couldnt they that this guy is NOT gay... and what was more amazing was the fact here i am in purple... i see other 4 gay guys other than me and him... they know he is gay.. but i had to pretend to be str8 to them?!?! and whats even more confusing they are gay and they are pretending to eachother they are str8 eventhough they know for CONFIRMED FACT that they are gay because they know who they slept with.... HELL DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE..... anyway fast forward a week, hell knows what happened with K.. one day is cold the other he is like ahhhh into... and what was even more confusing the night went to purple he get dropping in the word that i am his date when it really wasnt a date... so as i mentioned fast forward a week i accidentally run into him in purple when i was out with a girl friend of mine on a str8 night out (not to be confused that i am not out to her,, we just needed a break from the other gay boys) and then i run into him accidentally... i ignore him and hang out with my friend he comes to us every now and then ... i thought that it was part of his game that you know where is no longer playing cold... little that i know... at the end of the night he kept dancing with my girl friend telling me her how beautiful she is ... where i responded.. k you are gay.. he was like no i am BI... and listen to this... HE ACTUALLY LEFT HIS NUMBER ON A NAPKIN for her.. which she as a ny good friend gracefully left on the bar for the bartender to pick up!! the idea is Country K is about the psycotic gay men... who know matter what you can never understand them regardles of mixing or not mixing str8 friends.. and they are so oblivious to the reality around them where most of the people around them know that he is gay no matter how hard he tries other to prove other wise, and i dont mean he is queeny.
Country V: for those who have read my previous blog before i removed would have realized V is one of my close friends who i kiddingly call Potential Best Friend. V if you reading this, which probably are.. i am sorry about what i am about to say but you know it anyway i said a million times to your face. V is the kind of Guy where is str8 life is totally seperated from his gay one... its like way two different worlds.. but what frustrates me about this with V, is lets say that we wont to go somewhere nice, like one of the nice bars, in town, he would be NOOOO because he would be too afraid that there is 5% chance that we might run into someone he knows even if that person was someone who was with him in kindergarden and i kid you not!!! we did our little holiday during spring break away from the red sea on the fear that V might have an issue running into his str8 friends in one of the red sea cities or resorts like Gouna.. granted where he took us at the end actually ended up as a nice place.. but still the concept.. Country V is about the guys who are so deep in the closet that it annoys the guys who mildly out of the Closet
Country Coke: Gay men are accross the world are almost always associated with Drugs, Partying, Alcoholism, and being WAY TOO HAPPY, Egypt is no except to that concept. But us being a smaller world its more appearent and you actually get to know by name the people who uses, and those people who use usually mix with their own kind, and have their little house parties with Coke, E, MDMA and whatever they can smuggle back from europe or get locally, did i mention that the Coke group also is the group that you might find hanging accross spain, london, brussels, munich for just the holidays... yes they are also some of the wealthier group who can afford the travels.... to me most common people they wouldnt figure out that those people are users, but to me, Q, come on i see and i konw everything that happens on this glorious land, to me Country Coke, are combined of people who has it all in terms of wealth a good reputation on the straight party scene (oh trust me having a name on the straight party scene is not an easy thing) they are people are who are able to hide habbits, discreetly within the confined borders of Egypt, however they are as i was discribing to one of my good friends today the people that i feel lack personality and are superficial and weak, why else would you resort to drugs and think its something cool to do!!
Country Cock & Ass: Cock & Ass, to be here after refered to as C&A, C&A is a country where all that matters is sex. you hang out with people who belong to this country they will talk about nothing except who they fucked, how big was his dick, how small was it. how wide was he, how when he fingered the and the finger came brown. Or rather on how good the guy was, which is sometimes a rare thing to here... i have friend who sort of resides in this country, in where we kid that sometimes he is a sex addict, that for fun he just has sex... is just like having a drink or smoking cigerates, but lucklily for us that friend doesnt share the details of his sexecpades, god if anyone gets his phone.... boys you will get the black book to all the hot men of cairo
Party Town: Party Town (PT).... is sort of a subset of all countries, each country has its own town where people gather and party in it. usually this town is a house for each group, sometimes different countries invite other countries to their own party town... or sometimes an international citizen, like myself, will have a party in a country like switzerland where it neatural and invite all the countries. some PTs would have drag queens perform in them on a belly dance, other would just have arabic music playing all night long, while other other would have commerical stuff from 2 years ago playing or sometimes on rare ocassions you would have the ones that have house music that is the latest off from ibiza, london, new york. In Party town usually you have main players, like you have in the str8 scene, the movers and shakers, these are usually the people who have their own place, or people who know the house owners, then an important part of this however not all these countries can host good parties, so much like the str8 scene you have major players who you know when they throw a party ... you would kill to be on that guest list.. and others you are just like what ever who care we arre not going and usually when the movers dont go the party becomes shitty
Drama Town: in every country right next to Party Town exists Drama Town, sometimes drama town exist as a subset in PT but it also has its own independent cafe outside of it... what i am saying it always exists in PT. show me one gay boy that doesnt have drama in their life , whether its party you are organizing and stressing about the guest list (M) or whether you are stressing about not having enough guys available to date, or whether its your brother, family, mother, university, and if everything is okay, it might be about not finding the correct size of those jeans... i honestly honestly dont believe there exist a drama free man and from out of a million of experiance of going to meet and greet guys, and they are advertise themselves as "drama-free" are usually the most dramatic. did i not mention K earlier.
the countries and the towns just keep on going with the lieks of tranishack ville, right next to it you can find liar ville, right next to it REAL PEOPLE country, its just a million other countries which we shall discuss a bit more as i run more to them on wierd dates but in the mean time what i think would be more fun if you leave me any country that you think needs to be added in the list in the comments
Q.
Saturday, 7 March 2009
Queer Query #3: What would happen if Egypt INC. officially allowed Homosexuality on its soil?
Going with the new branding image of Egypt by the government and the same way all countries try to brand themselves, I am going to call the Egyptian Government, EGYPT INC. at the end of the day we are like a co-operation, where you have the high level paid CEO, COO, CFO, CXO ETC, getting paid big bonuses even if nothing positive is in the outlook
For the question in matter what would happen if Egypt INC. thought like a real co-operation and realized that allowing homosexuality, and supporting the creation of a gay scene with in Egypt, and together with support for same sex marriage, would mean a lot of gay tourism. And lets face the facts, (ok not so much fact as my own assumptions) isn’t the PINK POUND more worthy than the normal straight devalued POUND. Gay Men & Women usually spend more than straight people, for a number of reasons, namely we don’t have as much as dependents on us as straight people (wife & 5 kids), another reason our vanity, and our happy nature of being always out… Marketing people in GQ, Esquire, Vogue Home, realize that to the extent even though they try to be straight magazine, but the adverts in them are targeted to attract the PINK POUND, show me an average (Making 6000L.E, or below) straight man who will go fork up his saving for of Gucci Undies.
Also another aspect Egypt should consider going PRO HOMO, is that well lets face it, they will gain a lot of credit on the American Market and well international in terms of human rights, which could well again help them economically, because well one of the reasons USofA didn’t finalize the Free Trade Agreement with Egypt was because of its Human Right Record, and the imprisonment of Ayman Nour, obviously this isn’t the main reason but one of the many. So basically another reason for going PRO GAY is it will effect its relationship with Europe, USA which in turn would affect it economically
So lets hypothetically speaking say that our Company has realized and that Egypt INC, has decided to go PRO HOMO to reap some of its financial benefits. What do you think will happen, will it be a smooth transition, where lets say we can pick and choose a street or district and decide to name it the pink district of Egypt. Will Egypt has its own Soho, Oxford Street, or Canal Street.
Assume we did, with the help of many of our talented Artists, Interior Designers, Architects, where able to transform downtown into a GLBT district, where we had Gay Cafes, Bars, Discos, Support Centers, GYMs(as if we need more of that). Two questions that come directly into my mind
1) Muslim Brotherhood, and maybe other fanatic groups
2) Would people actually go?
The first is pretty obvious, Egypt is pretty much of a decent country with regards to safety, with the exception of the once every 3-5 years bombing. So do we really want to give those guys another group to target?
The other reason well a lot of the people here like being discrete of being in the scene in even house parties. Or in a bar that might have more than 3 people. I even met people who are afraid to meet other gay people because they don’t know what to do if they see them while they are in the company of their straight friends in a public place.
Mostly it is to due with fear, of what people do if they see oneself anywhere near a gay place. Fear of what people perceive you if they know you are gay. Its like you are ashamed of being Gay. What personally annoys me the is that, I can understand or relate to you at some point if you are ashamed of being gay from a religious aspect but if you are one of the new generation 18-26 gay boys on the scene who are not that religious and are afraid because of what people would perceive I don’t understand.
Some of my friends are out to their families and friends and they are taking it okay, I am not say wear some pink dress and walk in the street, I am not saying flaunt it, I am not saying be out, I am saying be who you are and don’t lie about it.
Why is this important? why am I saying that ? as I previously mentioned in this query, is that do you think if all of a sudden, Egypt INC decides to go PRO HOMO it will get the good reactions all by itself, we have to start somewhere, by small little steps. Do you think America, UK, Lebanon, Australia even had a gay seen in the 1900, 10s,20s,30s,40s, 50s, 60s!!! some of these gay scenes are of action that took place in 1980s, pre-that they had some similar issues of the society not accepting, but there had to be small steps.
So do I personally think Egypt INC will go PRO HOMO, or will EGYPT be a gay scene with in the next 20 years, NO … 30-40 is a MAYBE, 50-100… possibly… it all depends on when do we want to it happen
One last note before I end this entry, this is no GAY ACTIVISM or HUMAN RIGHT FIGHT, because well I am neither this nor that. I am just stating some facts, so in a way yes I am hypocrite by not doing much other than being out to my friends or some family members, but remember its as much as one can do with in his own circle. I know I have changed some of my friend’s opinions with regards to homosexuality.
Leave Your Comments,
Q.
For the question in matter what would happen if Egypt INC. thought like a real co-operation and realized that allowing homosexuality, and supporting the creation of a gay scene with in Egypt, and together with support for same sex marriage, would mean a lot of gay tourism. And lets face the facts, (ok not so much fact as my own assumptions) isn’t the PINK POUND more worthy than the normal straight devalued POUND. Gay Men & Women usually spend more than straight people, for a number of reasons, namely we don’t have as much as dependents on us as straight people (wife & 5 kids), another reason our vanity, and our happy nature of being always out… Marketing people in GQ, Esquire, Vogue Home, realize that to the extent even though they try to be straight magazine, but the adverts in them are targeted to attract the PINK POUND, show me an average (Making 6000L.E, or below) straight man who will go fork up his saving for of Gucci Undies.
Also another aspect Egypt should consider going PRO HOMO, is that well lets face it, they will gain a lot of credit on the American Market and well international in terms of human rights, which could well again help them economically, because well one of the reasons USofA didn’t finalize the Free Trade Agreement with Egypt was because of its Human Right Record, and the imprisonment of Ayman Nour, obviously this isn’t the main reason but one of the many. So basically another reason for going PRO GAY is it will effect its relationship with Europe, USA which in turn would affect it economically
So lets hypothetically speaking say that our Company has realized and that Egypt INC, has decided to go PRO HOMO to reap some of its financial benefits. What do you think will happen, will it be a smooth transition, where lets say we can pick and choose a street or district and decide to name it the pink district of Egypt. Will Egypt has its own Soho, Oxford Street, or Canal Street.
Assume we did, with the help of many of our talented Artists, Interior Designers, Architects, where able to transform downtown into a GLBT district, where we had Gay Cafes, Bars, Discos, Support Centers, GYMs(as if we need more of that). Two questions that come directly into my mind
1) Muslim Brotherhood, and maybe other fanatic groups
2) Would people actually go?
The first is pretty obvious, Egypt is pretty much of a decent country with regards to safety, with the exception of the once every 3-5 years bombing. So do we really want to give those guys another group to target?
The other reason well a lot of the people here like being discrete of being in the scene in even house parties. Or in a bar that might have more than 3 people. I even met people who are afraid to meet other gay people because they don’t know what to do if they see them while they are in the company of their straight friends in a public place.
Mostly it is to due with fear, of what people do if they see oneself anywhere near a gay place. Fear of what people perceive you if they know you are gay. Its like you are ashamed of being Gay. What personally annoys me the is that, I can understand or relate to you at some point if you are ashamed of being gay from a religious aspect but if you are one of the new generation 18-26 gay boys on the scene who are not that religious and are afraid because of what people would perceive I don’t understand.
Some of my friends are out to their families and friends and they are taking it okay, I am not say wear some pink dress and walk in the street, I am not saying flaunt it, I am not saying be out, I am saying be who you are and don’t lie about it.
Why is this important? why am I saying that ? as I previously mentioned in this query, is that do you think if all of a sudden, Egypt INC decides to go PRO HOMO it will get the good reactions all by itself, we have to start somewhere, by small little steps. Do you think America, UK, Lebanon, Australia even had a gay seen in the 1900, 10s,20s,30s,40s, 50s, 60s!!! some of these gay scenes are of action that took place in 1980s, pre-that they had some similar issues of the society not accepting, but there had to be small steps.
So do I personally think Egypt INC will go PRO HOMO, or will EGYPT be a gay scene with in the next 20 years, NO … 30-40 is a MAYBE, 50-100… possibly… it all depends on when do we want to it happen
One last note before I end this entry, this is no GAY ACTIVISM or HUMAN RIGHT FIGHT, because well I am neither this nor that. I am just stating some facts, so in a way yes I am hypocrite by not doing much other than being out to my friends or some family members, but remember its as much as one can do with in his own circle. I know I have changed some of my friend’s opinions with regards to homosexuality.
Leave Your Comments,
Q.
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